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03/15/2023 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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*+ SB 68 PUBLIC NOTICE FOR WATER RIGHTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
Christy Colles, Director, Dept. of Mining
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*+ SB 87 LUMBER GRADING PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
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-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
Jeremy Douse, Northern Region Forester, DNR
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Eng, Director, DNR Division of Forestry and Fire
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                 SB  87-LUMBER GRADING PROGRAM                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:14:46 PM late                                                                                                               
CO-CHAIR BISHOP  announced the consideration  of SENATE  BILL NO.                                                               
87, "An  Act relating  to a lumber  grading training  program and                                                               
lumber  grading certificates;  relating to  use of  lumber graded                                                               
and  certified by  a  person holding  a  lumber grading  training                                                               
program certificate; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:15:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR JESSE BJORKMAN, District D, Alaska State Legislature,                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska, sponsor of SB 87, introduced the legislation by                                                                 
reading the following prepared statement:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     I  am pleased  to  introduce Senate  Bill  87, "An  Act                                                                    
     relating  to  a  lumber grading  training  program  and                                                                    
     lumber grading certificates; relating  to use of lumber                                                                    
     graded  and  certified by  a  person  holding a  lumber                                                                    
     grading  training  program certificate;  and  providing                                                                    
     for an effective date."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     I  had  several  constituents  approach  me  about  the                                                                    
     excellent qualities  of our high strength  local lumber                                                                    
     and the need  for a local lumber  grading program. When                                                                    
     I met  with Department of Natural  Resources, I learned                                                                    
     that an effort was underway  to develop such a program.                                                                    
     Stakeholders including  sawmill owners,  home builders,                                                                    
     housing      authorities,     economic      development                                                                    
     associations, vocational educators,  and the Department                                                                    
     of  Natural Resources  and the  US Forest  Service have                                                                    
     all  had  a  role  in  promoting  and  developing  this                                                                    
     concept.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     There are  several things that have  contributed to the                                                                    
     need for this bill:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        • Lumber used in residential construction must be                                                                       
          graded  and  stamped  to meet  building  code  and                                                                    
          financing  requirements.   However,  small  Alaska                                                                    
          sawmills do not  produce enough dimensional lumber                                                                    
          to justify the cost of  hiring a grading agency to                                                                    
          grade and stamp their lumber;                                                                                         
        • The cost of lumber and other construction                                                                             
          materials  has risen  dramatically  over the  last                                                                    
          several years,  making it  harder for  Alaskans to                                                                    
          address  the housing  shortages affecting  most of                                                                    
          our state; and                                                                                                        
        • Regions off the road system experience even                                                                           
          higher costs of construction  as materials have to                                                                    
          be  flown or  barged into  areas that  may already                                                                    
          have abundant timber growing nearby.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     A  local lumber  grading  program  would allow  sawmill                                                                    
     operators  to become  certified to  grade and  sell the                                                                    
     dimensional   lumber   they    mill   for   residential                                                                    
     construction   to  a   homeowner  or   the  homeowner's                                                                    
     contractor. This  will provide  Alaskans the  option to                                                                    
     purchase a  local product for  use in  the construction                                                                    
     of   their  homes.   And   it   will  create   economic                                                                    
     opportunities  that will  result in  permanent, stable,                                                                    
     family-wage  jobs in  rural  communities and  villages,                                                                    
     and with strengthen and diversify local economies.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:20:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BJORKMAN continued the introduction of SB 87.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     In  some   parts  of  the   state,  there  will   be  a                                                                    
     substantial   cost   savings  from   locally   produced                                                                    
     dimensional  lumber. According  to information  we have                                                                    
     from 2022:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        • The average price of an 8' 2X4 in Fairbanks was                                                                       
          $9.44;                                                                                                                
        • The average total price of barging an 8' 2X4 to                                                                       
          interior communities was $12.00; and                                                                                  
        • The average total price of air shipping an 8' 2x4                                                                     
          to interior communities was $21.00. The actual                                                                        
          price could go as high as $30.44.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The  Kuskokwim Corporation  has been  working with  the                                                                    
     Alaska  Cold   Climate  Research  Center  on   a  heat-                                                                    
     efficient  kit  house  that uses  timber  harvested  in                                                                    
     their  region.   Using  locally  produced   and  graded                                                                    
     dimensional lumber would  be significantly cheaper than                                                                    
     shipping  in dimensional  lumber,  and  would help  the                                                                    
     Corporation  meet more  of the  housing  needs in  this                                                                    
     part  of rural  Alaska.  Many of  the  villages in  the                                                                    
     Tanana Chiefs  Conference also have small  sawmills and                                                                    
     may  be able  to  take advantage  of  the local  lumber                                                                    
     grading program in the future  to help build housing in                                                                    
     their communities.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     In  Southeast Alaska,  a  coalition  of tribal,  public                                                                    
     sector, and  private sector  partners is  interested in                                                                    
     transitioning  away   from  old  growth  timber   to  a                                                                    
     sustainable  industry manufacturing  young growth  wood                                                                    
     products. This  would provide economic  opportunity and                                                                    
     a local supply of wood  products for consumers, but the                                                                    
     limited  opportunities for  sales if  sawmill operators                                                                    
     are  not able  to  grade  their lumber  is  one of  the                                                                    
     hurdles for its implementation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     A  local lumber  grading program  would also  lower the                                                                    
     barrier  for  entry  to   create  new  sawmills.  These                                                                    
     sawmills   can  serve   as  a   catalyst  to   increase                                                                    
     investment  in forest  management  and  help build  the                                                                    
     timber  sector statewide.  A  larger  timber sector  in                                                                    
     turn can provide the  additionality needed for creating                                                                    
     and  selling  forest  carbon  offset  projects,  adding                                                                    
     further investment and revenues to the timber sector.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  Department   of  Natural  Resources   Division  of                                                                    
     Forestry  and  Fire  Protection  would  administer  the                                                                    
     program  and ensure  that  the  training necessary  for                                                                    
     certification is offered at least annually.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Jeremy   Douse,  Northern   Region   Forester  of   the                                                                    
     Department of  Natural Resources Division of   Forestry                                                                    
     and Fire  Protection is here  to provide  the Committee                                                                    
     with  a discussion  of lumber  grading,  a deeper  dive                                                                    
     into the need  for a local lumber  grading program, and                                                                    
     an overview  of the program DNR  would administer under                                                                    
     this bill.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:22:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BJORKMAN read the sectional analysis for SB 87:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1: Adds new statutes  to AS 41.17 directing the                                                                    
     Department  of Natural  Resources Division  of Forestry                                                                    
     and  Fire  Protection  to   establish  a  local  lumber                                                                    
     grading  training  program   for  conservative  grading                                                                    
     standards   established  by   DNR.  It   specifies  the                                                                    
     frequency of  the courses and  directs the  division to                                                                    
     identify  the content  of  courses, qualifications  for                                                                    
     instructors,  and  requirements   for  completion.  The                                                                    
     section    also   provides    guidance   for    issuing                                                                    
     certificates,   specifies    the   duration    of   the                                                                    
     certificate,   defines  exceptions   for  certification                                                                    
     without taking  a training course, and  specifies how a                                                                    
     certificate may be revoked.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The section  also adds  new statutes  to AS  41.17 that                                                                    
     allow  for   the  use  of  locally   graded  lumber  in                                                                    
     residential construction of  single homes, duplexes, or                                                                    
     triplexes.  The  new   language  allows  an  individual                                                                    
     holding a lumber grading certificate  to grade and sell                                                                    
     lumber  that they  have produced  directly to  a person                                                                    
     constructing a residence or  a contractor and specifies                                                                    
     the   documentation  the   seller  must   provide.  The                                                                    
     language  also   provides  a  building   inspector  the                                                                    
     authority to approve,  conditionally approve, or reject                                                                    
     the lumber for use in a residence.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2: Provides an immediate effective date                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  CLAMAN mentioned  the reference  to  selling the  lumber                                                               
directly to the  builder. He asked whether the  lumber could also                                                               
be sold to a company like Spenard Builders Supply.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BJORKMAN said no.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR CLAMAN asked why not.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BJORKMAN  explained  that  the lumber  grades  for  this                                                               
program  aren't  the  same as  traditionally  graded  lumber  and                                                               
conflating  the two  grading systems  would  cause confusion.  He                                                               
deferred further explanation to Mr. Douse.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:24:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN  noted that the  fiscal note designates  the fund                                                               
source as  UGF. He  asked if he'd  considered having  the program                                                               
funded with DFG through a certification or inspection fee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BJORKMAN said  he'd support  exploring that  notion once                                                               
the program has enough participants to support self-funding.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:25:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAWASAKI asked why this  lumber wouldn't be certified for                                                               
commercial construction.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BJORKMAN  mentioned  the  intention to  conform  to  the                                                               
International Building Code standards,  and deferred to Mr. Douse                                                               
to speak to the question further.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:26:10 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:26:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP reconvened  the meeting  and invited  Mr. Jeremy                                                               
Douse to provide his testimony.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:27:08 PM                                                                                                                    
JEREMY DOUSE, Northern Region Forester,  Division of Forestry and                                                               
Fire  Protection,  Department  of Natural  Resources,  Anchorage,                                                               
Alaska,  delivered a  presentation  on local  lumber grading.  He                                                               
turned  to  slide 2,  Grade  Stamped  Lumber,  and spoke  to  the                                                               
following:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     •  Grade Stamped  lumber allows  the purchaser  to know                                                                    
        the wood meets a quality standard                                                                                       
     •  Grading  agencies  such  as  Western  Wood  Products                                                                    
        Association (WWPA) publishes the Western Lumber                                                                         
        Grading Rules for appearance grading                                                                                    
     •  Grading rules are accredited by  the American Lumber                                                                    
        Standards Committee (ALSC)                                                                                              
     •  Members  of  WWPA  receive  mill  training,  quality                                                                    
        assurance (QA), market analysis, and professional                                                                       
        development                                                                                                             
     •  Small   mill   operators   find    it   economically                                                                    
        challenging to become a member of these types of                                                                        
        associations                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:29:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP asked  if mechanical testing involves  the use of                                                               
a  hydraulic press  that  breaks a  2X4 at  a  certain number  of                                                               
pounds per square inch.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUSE  explained that dimensional  lumber, such as  2X4s that                                                               
are  rated Number  2, are  tested for  tension, compression,  and                                                               
sheer strength  and assigned a  statistical design  value. Ninety                                                               
five percent of  Number 2 2X4s of that species  should equal that                                                               
design value. In  2005, the Ketchikan Wood  Technology Center and                                                               
the  Western  Wood  Products Association  (WWPA)  conducted  that                                                               
testing  on  four Alaska  species:  white  spruce, Sitka  spruce,                                                               
western hemlock,  and yellow  cedar. The  results of  those tests                                                               
were  published and  accepted by  the  American Lumber  Standards                                                               
Committee, which made the proposed grading program possible.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:31:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE  turned to slide  3 and  discussed the average  cost in                                                               
Alaska to  be a  member of  the grading agency.  He spoke  to the                                                               
following:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     •  Membership  Dues  +   Monthly  Site   Inspections  +                                                                    
        Inspector Travel Costs ˜ $2200/month                                                                                    
     •  Membership options for small mill  operators: - Only                                                                    
        pay for membership fees during active periods -                                                                         
        Stockpile milled material and bring in an inspector                                                                     
        when there is enough to justify the travel costs                                                                        
      • Difficult for small mills to produce enough volume                                                                      
        to justify these costs and remain profitable                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP commented  on the  difficulties associated  with                                                               
producing  sufficient  volumes  to make  membership  economically                                                               
feasible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:33:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN asked,  other than the Viking  Lumber Company, how                                                               
many small Alaska mills are operating under a grading program.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUSE  responded that he  was aware  of three mills  that are                                                               
operating under  a grading agency;  Northland and  Viking operate                                                               
under  WWPA  and  one  mill operates  under  the  Pacific  Lumber                                                               
Inspection  Bureau, which  is a  transient grading  agency. Those                                                               
three mills  produce sufficient volume  to justify the  cost, but                                                               
multiple small mills don't have the volume.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  CLAMAN asked  if  a  number of  mills  were cutting  and                                                               
selling ungraded lumber.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DOUSE said  yes; building  with ungraded  lumber is  okay in                                                               
areas that  don't have  building codes and  if it's  done out-of-                                                               
pocket.  Unstamped  lumber can  also  be  used  in an  area  with                                                               
building codes  if it's for a  small structure such as  a shed or                                                               
sauna.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:34:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE advanced to slides 4-6 to discuss what constitutes a                                                                  
local-use/native lumber program. He spoke to the following:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     • It is state law/regulation in seven states allowing                                                                      
        non graded/stamped locally produced dimensional                                                                         
        lumber in some construction applications                                                                                
       • It is often an exemption to a building code that                                                                       
        requires grade stamped lumber                                                                                           
       •  It is focused on small mill operators providing                                                                       
        opportunities for them to enter home construction                                                                       
        markets                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:36:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked, in those  seven states that allow the                                                               
use  of ungraded  lumber,  whether there  had  been any  problems                                                               
associated with the quality of the wood.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUSE said  he hadn't heard of any problems.  People he spoke                                                               
with in  Wisconsin said that  as a  general rule, this  lumber is                                                               
high  quality; the  mill owners  are proud  of their  product and                                                               
want to see the program continue.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DOUSE   continued  to  discuss  what   constitutes  a  local                                                               
use/native lumber program:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        • It includes a training program for small mill                                                                         
        operators on grading their own lumber and includes a                                                                    
        recertification schedule                                                                                                
        •  Because of the code exemption, it allows for                                                                         
        traditional home construction financing                                                                                 
     •  Gives building inspectors an opportunity to inspect                                                                     
        and reject the wood if necessary                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:38:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if there  were reports of increases in                                                               
the  cost  of  insurance  or mortgage  financing  when  unstamped                                                               
lumber is used.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DOUSE said  he hadn't  heard of  any such  increases in  the                                                               
seven states that have local-use lumber programs.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL commented  that the  last point  about building                                                               
inspectors  having the  ability to  inspect and  reject the  wood                                                               
assumes that the building is in a coded area.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUSE said that's correct.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:39:40 PM                                                                                                                    
He advanced to slide 6  and continued to discuss what constitutes                                                               
a local use/native lumber program:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     • Local use lumber must be sold to the end user or the                                                                     
        contractor building the home                                                                                            
       •  Most states only allow residential (1  3 family                                                                       
        home) construction as well as outbuildings                                                                              
     •  Mill operator must take and pass a grading course                                                                       
     •  Certification only lasts for 5 years                                                                                    
     •  Mill operator provides a certificate with the local                                                                     
        lumber                                                                                                                  
     •  Only applies to softwood                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR CLAMAN  asked why the  lumber could  only be sold  to the                                                               
end user and not a company like Spenard Builders Supply.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DOUSE answered  that  the  lumber grades  in  the local  use                                                               
lumber program are simplified, whereas  the lumber sold through a                                                               
box store  is a very  specific product.  He said he'd  talk about                                                               
this more later in the presentation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:42:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DOUSE advanced  to  slide 7  to discuss  why  the local  use                                                               
lumber program is needed in Alaska. He spoke to the following:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
       • Wood prices have increased dramatically for home                                                                       
        construction   National Association of Home Builders                                                                    
        notes wood prices add $36k to new single family home                                                                    
        construction    Alaska  Housing Finance  Corporation                                                                    
        cites high  cost  of construction  as  a reason  new                                                                    
        building permits fell 15%                                                                                               
      • Canadian import tariffs on softwood were raised to                                                                      
        17.99% in early 2022    Alaska imports  ~$20 million                                                                    
        annually in  wood  products  from  Canada  (Canadian                                                                    
        Trade Commission)                                                                                                       
        •  Forest Management  Salvage harvest of beetle-                                                                        
        killed trees  less  than 4  years  past mortality                                                                       
        Increase forest management opportunities for private                                                                    
        landowners                                                                                                              
     • Increase economic activity in rural communities                                                                          
     • Increase milling capacity                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:44:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DOUSE  directed attention  to  the  graph  on slide  8  that                                                               
reflects  US   Forest  Service  mill  surveys   of  capacity  and                                                               
production.  These surveys  are done  every five  years on  mills                                                               
located  throughout the  Tongass National  Forest. It  shows that                                                               
both sawmill  capacity and  production has  reduced significantly                                                               
since 2000  when the  estimated production  was 87  million board                                                               
feet. In  2020, production was  only 15.5 million board  feet. He                                                               
opined that there was a lot of capacity for smaller mills.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:45:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE  said the chart  on slide 7 addresses  Senator Claman's                                                               
question about why  this lumber can't be sold to  a retail outlet                                                               
like  Spenard Builders  Supply. It  shows the  grading categories                                                               
that somebody  who is certified  under the Western  Wood Products                                                               
Association would be  trained to use. It  illustrates that timber                                                               
grading  is complex  and  requires  a lot  of  training  to be  a                                                               
certified professional.  The program  that SB  87 proposes  is an                                                               
equivalent  to  the  following  use  categories  for  dimensional                                                               
lumber:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Light Framing: Construction, Standard, Utility, Economy                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Stud: Stud, Economy Stud                                                                                                      
Structural Light  Framing: Select Structural,  No. 1, No.  2, No.                                                             
3, Economy                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Joists  and Planks:  Select  Structural,  No. 1,  No.  2, No.  3,                                                             
Economy                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The lumber in  the proposed local use program would  not be grade                                                               
stamped,  but the  certification and  a form  that describes  the                                                               
wood would  be handed to the  end user. If this  lumber were sold                                                               
through a company like Spenard  Builders Supply, it could be sold                                                               
anywhere and for  any application, which is not  the intention of                                                               
the program. The idea is that  this lumber would go directly from                                                               
the sawmill to the end user.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:48:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BJORKMAN added that keeping  the close connection between                                                               
the buyer and the seller  provides accountability for the lumber.                                                               
If there is a building inspector,  that person has the ability to                                                               
inspect the lumber and reject it if there's a quality issue.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:48:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE directed attention to the  chart on slide 10 that shows                                                               
the substitute  equivalent Alaska grades and  the descriptions of                                                               
that lumber.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2 and  Better: Substitute equivalent to Number  2 Grade of                                                             
Structural Light  Framing, Joists  and Planks and  Standard Grade                                                               
of the Light Framing use categories                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Stud:  Substitute equivalent  to Stud  Grade used  in residential                                                             
construction                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 3: Substitute  equivalent to Number 3  Grade of Structural                                                             
Light Framing, Joists  and Planks and Utility Grade  of the Light                                                               
Framing use categories                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:49:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE  described the training and  certification proposed for                                                               
the Alaska Local Use Lumber Program. He spoke to the following:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
       • One day free class focusing on visually grading                                                                        
        lumber to the three Alaska grades.                                                                                      
          o Issuance of Alaska Local Use Lumber handbook                                                                        
          o Issuance of Air-Drying Best Practices document                                                                      
     • Offered at least annually in Southeast, Southcentral                                                                     
        and Interior                                                                                                            
     •  Recertification required every five years                                                                               
     •  Certification issued to the person, not the mill                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DUNBAR asked  him to speak to the  difference between air                                                               
dried and  kiln dried  wood. He  opined that  it goes  to Senator                                                               
Bjorkman's point  about the need for  the seller to have  a close                                                               
relationship  with  the   end  user  to  ensure   they  know  the                                                               
appropriate use for the lumber.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DOUSE explained  that  air drying  is used  quite  a bit  in                                                               
Alaska and there are best  practices for stacking and testing the                                                               
moisture content.  If the lumber  has a moisture content  of more                                                               
than 19 percent,  it is considered green or  partially air dried;                                                               
when  the moisture  content is  below 19  percent, the  lumber is                                                               
considered dry. Kiln  dried means the lumber has been  put into a                                                               
controlled  environment where  heat is  applied to  draw moisture                                                               
out of the wood.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DUNBAR  offered  his  understanding  that  there  was  a                                                               
difference in strength  and quality depending on how  the wood is                                                               
dried, so the buyer needs to know what they're doing.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUSE agreed  that an important part of the  program was that                                                               
the seller could look the buyer in  the eye and say that the wood                                                               
was green, partially air dried, or  air dried to below 19 percent                                                               
moisture content so the end user knows what they're buying.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:53:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN spoke to the  reasons to have dimensional lumber,                                                               
and asked if there was any  thought given to making the lumber in                                                               
the home use program equivalent.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUSE answered that the surface  condition is one of the five                                                               
required designations in  the form that's given to  the end user.                                                               
If the lumber  is rough cut, planed, or planed  on one side, that                                                               
will be communicated on that form.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KAUFMAN  mentioned hybrid solar  drying and asked  him to                                                               
speak to additional methods of  improving the quality of the wood                                                               
by drying in a semi-controlled environment.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  mentioned  forests  in the  Interior  that  had                                                               
burned  more than  four  years  ago and  didn't  have any  beetle                                                               
infestation.  He asked  if  that  lumber was  kiln  dried or  air                                                               
dried.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DOUSE replied  that  timber would  be  considered air  dried                                                               
because it was not in a controlled environment.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:56:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOUSE  turned to slide  12 to discuss the  special conditions                                                               
for  selling lumber  in the  proposed  program. He  spoke to  the                                                               
following:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     • Mill owner/operator sells the lumber directly to the                                                                     
        end user or to the contractor building the home                                                                         
         • Lumber sale must include documentation that                                                                          
        describes the 5 designations (grade, species,                                                                           
        moisture content, surface condition, size)                                                                              
     • Lumber sale must include a copy of the mill owner's                                                                      
        certification with the Alaska Local Use Lumber                                                                          
        program                                                                                                                 
     • Building inspector may refuse the lumber                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:58:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP held SB 87 in committee.                                                                                        

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 68 Version B.PDF HSTA 4/11/2024 3:00:00 PM
SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 68
SB 68 Sponsor Statement ver. B 02.20.23.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 68 Sectional Analysis ver. B 02.20.23.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 68
SB 68 Fiscal Note DNR 03.10.23.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 68
SB 68 Support Doc DNR January 2023.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 68
SB 68 Support Doc Pew Research Center 02.20.23.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 68
SB 68 Support Letters through 3.14.23.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 68
SB 68 Presentation DNR DMLW 03.14.2023.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 68
SB 34 Version B.PDF SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 34
SB 34 Sponsor Statement ver. B 02.15.23.pdf SFIN 4/17/2023 1:30:00 PM
SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 34
SB 34 Fiscal Note DNR 03.10.23.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 34
SB 34 Support Doc CACFA Audit Report 04.08.2020.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 34
SB 34 Support Doc CACFA Audit Summary 03.13.23.pdf SFIN 4/17/2023 1:30:00 PM
SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 34
SB 34 Support Letters rec'd by 03.14.23.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 34
SB 87 Version A.PDF SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 87
SB 87 Sponsor Statement ver. A 03.15.23.pdf SFIN 4/12/2023 1:00:00 PM
SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 87
SB 87 Sectional Analysis ver. A 03.15.23.pdf SFIN 4/12/2023 1:00:00 PM
SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 87
SB 87 Fiscal Note DNR 03.10.23.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 87
SB 87 Support Letters rec'd by 03.14.23.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 87
SB 87 DOF Lumber Grading Presentation 03.15.2023.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 87
SB 34 Sectional Analysis ver. B 02.15.23.pdf SRES 3/15/2023 3:30:00 PM
SB 34